tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post115291853822744158..comments2023-11-03T04:19:00.473-05:00Comments on BOLI-NICA On Bolivia, Nicaragua, Latin America, US Politics, Globalization: Chile: Pinochet : International Terrorist,, WMD Maker, Mobster, Possibly Dope DealerBoli-Nicahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07416904838567704211noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153191033139576712006-07-17T21:50:00.000-05:002006-07-17T21:50:00.000-05:00Hey genius, I was obviously talking about a Latin ...Hey genius, I was obviously talking about a Latin American regime during the Carter administration, which the US had cut off military aid because of things like death squad activity.<BR/><BR/>So it wasn't Nicaragua, there were no real death squads by either side, at least in terms of other countries.<BR/><BR/>Unlike posers like you, who can't even get their history straight, I actually lived through some of this crap - which was one of the points of my little story. The other being that it makes me somewhat qualified to talk about right wing lunatics, having been under mortal danger from them at some point or another. <BR/> <BR/><BR/> <B>So your family supported the rightwing government of Somoza. The people got tired of the terror and the oppression that your family supported, they overthrew Somoza and tried to form a more just society. </B><BR/>Love how out of that grotesque ideology of yours, your lack of historical knowledge, as well as your general cluenessnes, you can draw all sorts of conclusions about my family in Nicaragua (1/2 Nicaraguan b/t/w).. Must be Somoza supporters, yep, overthrown and sent out, bla, bla, bla. Geez, I have generations of relatives who absolutely hated Somoza, and unlike wannabees like you, were out there getting shot at,jailed, exiled, and taking up armsBoli-Nicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07416904838567704211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153185276907668582006-07-17T20:14:00.000-05:002006-07-17T20:14:00.000-05:00"A Rattlesnake, if Cornered will become so angry i..."A Rattlesnake, if Cornered will become so angry it will bite itself. That is exactly what the harboring of hate and resentment against others is - a biting of oneself. We think we are harming others in holding these spites and hates, but the deeper harm is to ourselves."~S. JonesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153175604369298062006-07-17T17:33:00.000-05:002006-07-17T17:33:00.000-05:00What you fail to admit is that relations of domina...What you fail to admit is that relations of domination do fit into generalized patterns. Any left, populist, or movement of the poor that attains power in the world will be a target for the empire. All the smack about 'democracy' and freedom in the context of empire is just that, smack.<BR/><BR/>You obviously have cast your lot with the far rightwing--against the forces of democracy, people power, socialism, basic human justice, etc.<BR/><BR/>This is very clear from who you choose to serve--the political tendencies you support.<BR/><BR/>Again, we base our worldview on generalizations and become problematic when we consider particular cases--the evolving contexts of the ongoing class, social, cultural, and global struggle.<BR/><BR/>So your family supported the rightwing government of Somoza. The people got tired of the terror and the oppression that your family supported, they overthrew Somoza and tried to form a more just society.<BR/><BR/>The US was very effective in organizing terror to change that people's revolt.<BR/><BR/>Now you are in Miami, counting your money, wearing a tie, voting republican and opposing any progressive force that challenges your priviledge. Hey, you've made your bed--just because the people you lie in it with are pretty slimey, that is your choice.<BR/><BR/>You can always wake up tomarrow and start supporting the forces that opposed Pinochet and the US empire. But you CHOOSE your position in this unfolding drama.<BR/><BR/>I just think that it behooves you to see clearly just what you are aligning yourself with.<BR/><BR/>By the way--why arnen't you fighting in Iraq or Afganistan? Just a question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153110390416190412006-07-16T23:26:00.000-05:002006-07-16T23:26:00.000-05:00Reality can be such a bitch......sooo complicated,...Reality can be such a bitch......sooo complicated, unpredictable, chaotic, mysterious, and confusing, and thats before you even wake up. <BR/>It doesn't fit nice in neat little dogmas. But hey we all try make sense of things somehow. <BR/>You need to learn its not all Rebels and the Empire, Boba Fett. <BR/><BR/>I like how you personalize it here:<BR/><I>,<BR/>Don't listen to me--take it from the families of people hunted down and murdered by this US-backed junta.<BR/><BR/>For you to bring the Soviet Union into this discussion is an insult to every Latin American who ever suffered the terror of the US-backed facist boot.</I><BR/><BR/>WOW, how decontextualized can you GET!! <BR/><BR/>If we had to go into hiding and leave some country, because some creepy looking guy was taking pictures of our house, during a period of time when people routinely ended up dead in ditches, does that count as the fascist boot? <BR/>I mean it might not have been meant for us, after all some guy up the block ended up getting done execution style days later. <BR/>Oh well, must be a victim of the empire....oh, but Carter was in the White House. Can't remember exactly if the Embassy people helped us... Might have. They didn't sell that government guns any more, because of nasty things they did to people. But, then again there were some other embassy types, who were a lot friendlier with the military regime, and bitched about Carter, there were people who were sore about Vietnam and "wanted to win one" no matter the rules. <BR/>See it never fits in a tight box.Boli-Nicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07416904838567704211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153088749029014452006-07-16T17:25:00.000-05:002006-07-16T17:25:00.000-05:00Boli-nica---tssk, tssk, tsssk.The incontrovertable...Boli-nica---tssk, tssk, tsssk.<BR/><BR/>The incontrovertable fact is that your beloved empire continued to support this fascist as the death caravans were rolling. This support was integral to expanding the scope of the oppression. <BR/><BR/>Don't listen to me--take it from the families of people hunted down and murdered by this US-backed junta.<BR/><BR/>For you to bring the Soviet Union into this discussion is an insult to every Latin American who ever suffered the terror of the US-backed facist boot.<BR/><BR/>Read Eduardo Galeano's famous book "Open Vains of Latin America". This will go far toward disabusing you of your reflexive apologetics for the empire and its abiding terror.<BR/><BR/>Melek--you misconstrue as 'hate' my real love for brother Boli-nica. If I thought that he was beyond redemption for his anti-democratic prolivilities, I would'nt bother to rebuke the nonsense he spouts.<BR/><BR/>At least he recognizes Pinochet as a terror reigme. But he also needs to recognize the patter of US support for these regiems--then he can claim to make informed comments and not just appear as a quisling for the empire that he has pledged his alligence to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153085015409195162006-07-16T16:23:00.000-05:002006-07-16T16:23:00.000-05:00Boli-Nica,Thanks for this post. Very Interesting!...Boli-Nica,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this post. Very Interesting! I still have a lot to learn regarding Latin American history. <BR/><BR/>Boli-Nica, remember that others' opinion of you do not define who you are!<BR/><BR/>We have the right to disagree at times with the opinion of others, but we should respect them.<BR/><BR/>It's sad that some are compelled to resort to the basic "mantra" of hatred and accusations. They use hateful and demeaning terms to degrade the motives & integrity of those who are perceived as their nemesis. In this case, it seems that the person using it is the one who has the weaker argument. <BR/><BR/>I wish you well! :) Melek<BR/><BR/>"How do you manage unreasonable people? You dismiss them. Like shadows."- David ViscottAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153084217672858972006-07-16T16:10:00.000-05:002006-07-16T16:10:00.000-05:00I mean, isn't it logical that I would be opposed t...I mean, isn't it logical that I would be opposed to US support of Pinochet??? And it is a fact that the US supported efforts to destabilize and overthrow Allende. <BR/><BR/>How to completely ignore - as you do- that people, institutions, and entire nations - have an influence in the conduct of their nations. To suggest that Chile existed in a vacuum at the complete whim of the United States is condescending, because it does not even consider people have a capacity to shape even a little-- their own destinies apart from foreign machinations.<BR/><BR/>No one denies foreign influences, but there are also Soviet, Chinese, French, Argentinians, Cuban inflluences..Boli-Nicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07416904838567704211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153075254286401812006-07-16T13:40:00.000-05:002006-07-16T13:40:00.000-05:00Really, Boli-Nica, can't you at least admit that t...Really, Boli-Nica, can't you at least admit that the US supported Pinochet's terrorism?<BR/><BR/>It is really pathetic to see you post comments deploring (rightfully--or you would have absolutely no credibility save for the hard-righties you hang with in Miami) this US sponsored thug--and then you try to avoid the fact that supporting far, rightwing facist regiems to smash democracy has long been part of the US modus operandi.<BR/><BR/>Really, it is pleasurable and sad to see you squirm like a guisano over this stuff.<BR/><BR/>Advice: stay away from topics where your ideological affinities will be stripped naked for all to see.<BR/><BR/>By the way, where do you stand on your empire's illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq? Isreal's bombing of Beruit?<BR/><BR/>Consistency and dealing with the ethical impicaltions of who you align with is problematic--does not reduce neatly into 'we are the good-guys' cowboy narratives. Too easy to ignore the people that get .ucked over by your beloved empire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153071899190089252006-07-16T12:44:00.000-05:002006-07-16T12:44:00.000-05:00It's pretty clear. Pinochet is a product of US goa...<B>It's pretty clear. Pinochet is a product of US goals in the region--and, likewise, the fact that the US helped perpetrate and cover up this man's crimes is a sorry testament for the real values of the empire. </B><BR/><BR/>Go argue with the <I>Troskos</I>..<BR/><BR/>Jeez, can you get beyond the boilerplate, fill-in-the-blanks, vulgar Marxism? This is the kind of <I>analisis historico</I> claptrap, that Latin American Marxist-Leninists blabbered about from the 50's on.<BR/><BR/>What next a denunciation of Browderism???<BR/><BR/>should be your next step, you already alluded to WWII and US Liberals..<BR/><BR/>Recycling the "Dependency Theory" in your case would actually be an improvement.Boli-Nicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07416904838567704211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153055838239472662006-07-16T08:17:00.000-05:002006-07-16T08:17:00.000-05:00Yes, you tend to de-contextualize. Pinochet is a ...Yes, you tend to de-contextualize. Pinochet is a hero to the fanatical rightwing Cubans in Miami and the rightwing of the US, generally.<BR/><BR/>The pattern that you should pay attention to is the consistent US alliance with anti-democratic fascists, members of the upper class/business class.<BR/><BR/>The goal is to supress popular nationalism and democratic socialism--where the majority of people get it in their heads that they should benefit from their own resources. Such attitudes are always the scurge of the comprador classes and their allies in the emprie.<BR/><BR/>It's pretty clear. Pinochet is a product of US goals in the region--and, likewise, the fact that the US helped perpetrate and cover up this man's crimes is a sorry testament for the real values of the empire.<BR/><BR/>Now the 'bad guys' are Chavez and Morales. What type of terror and barbarity will be justified to rid the world of these two 'terrorists' and their millions of followers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153017340114953532006-07-15T21:35:00.000-05:002006-07-15T21:35:00.000-05:00Let's be contextual--the role of the US in backing...Let's be contextual--the role of the US in backing facists and opposition almost all genuinely leftwing governmnts should not be <BR/>overlooked.<BR/>------------<BR/>attack on Pinochet (a symptom of imperialism and rightwing hegemony) without mentioning the crucial role of the empire is a bit dubious--especially as you support the empire. <BR/>---------------<BR/><BR/>you talk of Empire, and what not. <BR/> I talk in terms of presidential administrations, the people making policies, institutions involved, global/national realities. one to look for trends and constants. <BR/><BR/>Whatever problems and constraints Roosevelt had with the Axis powers, is different from Truman against Stalin, and Johnson, Nixon, and Carter in South America. <BR/>The time span I am looking at is Post-Allende Chile.Boli-Nicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07416904838567704211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1153009284628769442006-07-15T19:21:00.000-05:002006-07-15T19:21:00.000-05:00porque no estas en español!!!!!!!!!!porque no estas en español!!!!!!!!!!Miriamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844057723356290855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467891.post-1152985430589224532006-07-15T12:43:00.000-05:002006-07-15T12:43:00.000-05:00Let's be contextual--the role of the US in backing...Let's be contextual--the role of the US in backing facists and opposition almost all genuinely leftwing governmnts should not be overlooked.<BR/><BR/>The US liberals saw Hitler in a favorable light until a few years before WWII--and even after the war, the US helped keep the left out of power in Europe and put back into power many of the came rightwing thugs that it previously fought.<BR/><BR/>Thus, you de-contextualized attack on Pinochet (a symptom of imperialism and rightwing hegemony) without mentioning the crucial role of the empire is a bit dubious--especially as you support the empire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com